26-01-2004, 16:15 | ||
Wat denken jullie van deze film?
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Schokkende beelden, maar lijkt me er goede film.. het verhaal is antuurlijk altijd intresant.. Voor meer foto's http://www.thezreview.co.uk/news2/news375.htm
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15-02-2004, 19:28 | |
MEL'S PASSION
Gibson's making a film on Jesus worries some Jews By Marvin Hier and Harold Brackman Cecil B. DeMille's 1927 biblical epic, "The King of Kings" offended American Jews by portraying the Jewish people — rather than the Romans — as responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus. DeMille dismissed criticism, insisting that "if Jesus were alive today, these Jews I speak of might crucify him again." But whether DeMille admitted it or not, the film did fuel anti-Semitism. Consider the following note, passed between two fourth-grade girls, that found its way into the files of Rabbi Stephen S. Wise: "Martha, I found out who killed our God. The Jews did it. I went to see King of Kings. It showed how the Jews killed him." Now comes Mel Gibson, who insists Jews and Catholics will have nothing to worry about in his new, self-financed, $25-million film, "The Passion." It's true that the final script hasn't been made available, and there is currently no release date, or even distributor, for the film. Still, there are reasons for concern. The passion of Christ — the crucifixion and hours leading up to it — has been used by bigots, including popes and kings, to inflame anti-Semitism through the ages. A belief that Jews were responsible for crucifying the son of God led Pope Innocent III to conclude in the early 13th century that Jews should be consigned to a state of "perpetual subservience" as wanderers and fugitives, and made to wear a mark on their clothing identifying them as Jews. His pronouncement reinforced widespread anti-Semitism that led over the centuries to millions of Jews being burned at the stake and murdered in pogroms throughout Christian Europe. Any film about such a sensitive subject would set off alarm bells. But a film by Gibson is particularly alarming. A New York Times Magazine story in March revealed that the actor's father questions many commonly accepted views of the Holocaust, including whether 6 million Jews were killed. Also revealed in the article was that Gibson himself has funded a Catholic splinter group that rejects the three popes elected since John XXIII died in 1963 and the reforms of Vatican II. Rejecting the accomplishments of Vatican II raises particular concerns for Jews, in that one of its significant achievements was the church's declaration that "the Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God." It was that milestone that made possible the election of Pope John Paul II, who has done more for Catholic-Jewish relations then any of his predecessors. Gibson, who co-wrote the script for his film, has said he relied on three sources: the New Testament and two nuns. One of the nuns, Mary of Agreda, a 17th century Spanish aristocrat, wrote of the Jews involved in Christ's death: "Although they did not die [they] were chastised with intense pains These disorders consequently upon shedding the blood of Christ descended to their posterity and even to this day continue to afflict this group with horrible impurities." The other, Anne Catherine Emmerich, was an early 19th century German stigmatic who often described Jews as having hooked noses and who told of a vision she had in which she rescued from purgatory an old Jewish woman who confessed to her that Jews strangled Christian children and used their blood in the observance of their rituals. She claimed the woman in her vision told her that this practice was kept secret so it would not interfere with the Jews' commercial intercourse with Gentiles. Gibson should consider the political context before bringing out his film. Globally, anti-Semitism is at its highest peak since the end of World War II. Synagogues and Jewish schools have been firebombed and Jews beaten on the streets of France and Belgium. According to some recent polls, 17% of Americans (up from 12% five years ago) hold to political and economic stereotypes about Jews; 37% hold Jews responsible for the death of Jesus. On the Internet as well as in print media around the world, the new demonization of Israelis as Nazi-like oppressors is fusing with the old libel of the Jews as "Christ killers." A cartoon in the Italian newspaper La Stampa depicted an Israeli tank rolling up to a manger with little baby Jesus staring up in horror and crying out, "Do you want to kill me once more?" Gibson's secrecy about his film stands in contrast with the handling of other controversial films. The producers of a recent drama about the young Hitler responded to criticism by soliciting input from responsible critics. They got good suggestions that made for a better film. In Gibson's case, his lawyers threatened to sue the Anti-Defamation League and the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, whose nine-member advisory board issued a thoughtful critique of a leaked version of his script. What is interesting is that the critics were not only Jews but also leaders and scholars of the Catholic Church. At this tinderbox moment in our new century, we need to be especially careful about a movie that has the potential to further ignite ancient hatreds. In a world where the Oberammergau Passion Play, a notoriously anti-Semitic presentation held every 10 years in Bavaria, is finally being toned down, it is ironic that we now have to be concerned about a possible revival of anti-Semitism in Hollywood. It shouldn't need saying, but apparently it does. The Romans and their procurator, Pontius Pilate, were in control of Jerusalem at the time of Christ's execution — not the Jews. Crucifixion was the preferred Roman method of punishment, not one sanctioned by Jewish law. Jesus and his followers were Jews; there was no Christianity back then. Could Jewish authorities have played a role in turning Jesus over to the Romans because they feared a revolt or because Judaism gives no credence to the notion of a divine messiah? Possibly. But, it was the Romans, not the Jews, who crucified him, as they had crucified thousands of other Jews. Yet it was the Jews alone who for 2,000 years have been held responsible, not because God wanted it that way but because bigots and anti-Semites insisted that it be that way. Gibson is a great actor and director, but he has a responsibility to make a movie that does not contribute further to a legacy of pain and suffering. Franco Zeffirelli's "Jesus of Nazareth" avoided flaming anti-Semitism. And if Gibson uses a wise head and a brave heart, his movie can do it too. Rabbi Marvin Hier is the founder and dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center. Harold Brackman is a historian and consultant to the Wiesenthal Center. ------ Nee, ik hoef die film niet zo nodig te zien. |
15-02-2004, 20:31 | |
Goed, ik als wel christen wil hem ook heel graag zien. Dit temeer omdat zowel de spaanse trailer, als de internationale als de exclusieven 10 minuten op WWR (Winter Wonder Rock, christelijk festival) mij best wel raakten en ontroerden.
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17-02-2004, 18:23 | |
Heh, ik vind het wel grappig hoeveel gratis reclame al die joodse groeperingen geven voor deze film. Ik ben in ieder geval geïnteresseerd geraakt.
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26-02-2004, 02:52 | ||
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Verder heb ik gehoord dat de film gigantisch verkocht wordt, door kerken. Complete kerken worden omgetovert tot bioscoopzalen. Ook dat van die talen vind ik fantastisch verzonnen. Ik ben zelf niet christelijk ofzoiets, maar ik denk zeker dat deze 'actiefilm' mij wel kan boeien. Leer ik ook weer eens wat
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26-02-2004, 10:16 | |
Ik zeg niet dat hij slecht is, want persoonlijk denk ik dat het een leuke film is. Het verhaal in de bijbel vind ik niet echt zozo, maar dat hoeft niet te zeggen dat dit stukje waar nu een film over is slecht is. Kijk, als ik een film maak die de bijbel exact volgt, dan krijg je een film die niet mooi is. Als Gibson het doet, krijg je dus wel een mooie film.
I was just saying: Het KAN wel zo zijn dat het niet mooi is, maar dan moet je het door mij laten doen. Of door jou, of Kenjiro bijvoorbeeld
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Also known as: Passion of Christ, The (2003) (USA) (working title) Passion, The (2003/II) (USA) (working title) Dus het was geen fout van de topicstarter, het was gewoon de alternatieve titel. |
26-02-2004, 22:17 | |
Vrouw dood na hartaanval bij Jezusfilm van Gibson
Hoe fout dat ook klinkt, eigelijk is dat heel positief en een groot compliment . |
27-02-2004, 00:36 | ||
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27-02-2004, 01:28 | ||
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27-02-2004, 09:44 | ||
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zie jullie daar! |
27-02-2004, 10:28 | ||
Ik weet niet of het al gezegd was
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