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Daar vraag ik een bron voor. Jullie voorbeelden zijn hierbij niet van toepassing - ook al komt het ietsiepietsie in de buurt, maar is het niet te vergelijken met wat er nu in Gaza het geval is t.a.v. de kolonisten. That's it.
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Van de Palestijnen zijn niet alleen hun huizen maar ook hun land ontnomen. Waarom loopt die muur bijvoorbeeld grotendeels door Palestijns gebied en niet op de grens? Slimme manier van landje pik lijkt mij. |
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Aaargh,.. een idioot vond het zo leuk om te gaan schieten op de westbank
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die grenzen zijn betwistbaar. alle grenzen behalve die met egypte en een stukje met jordanie - dat zijn internationaal vastgelegde grenzen die alleen via een heftige oorlog veranderd kan worden of vrijwillige afgeving van 1 van de landen.
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Ik heb de kaart gezien. Daarop stond de grens aangegeven en de lijn van de muur. Die lijn liep niet over de grens maar door palestijns gebied, over de grens. |
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dat het resultaat hetzelfde is, wilt niet zeggen dat de methode en de reden eenzelfde is. Een brug kan neerstorten door een bom of door een aardbeving of door een constructiefout. Citaat:
en de grens waar jij het over hebt is een verdragsgrens. Net waar ik het over heb.
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(en rubberen kogels zijn niet niet dodelijk)
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2. Israel heeft onlangs laten weten dat dit niet werkt en moet stoppen (hierop heb ik nog gezegd: doh, dat had ik ook wel kunnen vertellen) 3. de kolonisten wonen er en moeten weg en ze zijn in het algemeen niet gewelddadig bezig. Als er wat gegooid wordt zijn het plastic flessen en eieren.
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ik (nog) niet. en die gek op westbank telt niet.
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Kolonist opent vuur op Palestijnen GAZA Op de Westelijke Jordaanoever heeft een kolonist het vuur geopend op een groep Palestijnen. Daarbij zijn drie Palestijnen omgekomen en twee gewond geraakt. De Israëliër pakte het wapen af van een bewaker van een nederzetting en begon om zich heen te schieten. Eerder op de dag stak een vrouw zich in Zuid-Israël in brand. Zij wilde met haar actie protesteren tegen de ontruiming van de joodse nederzettingen in de Gazastrook. De vrouw raakte zwaargewond. De ontruiming van nederzettingen in de Gazastrook verloopt voorspoedig. Israël denkt dat die volgende week al voltooid kan zijn. De ontruiming begon vannacht. Nosnieuws. 3 doden en 2 gewonden. Hoezo telt niet?? 
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By Amiram Barkat and Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondents, and AP An Israeli Jew killed four people and wounded one other Wednesday afternoon when he opened fire on a group of Palestinians in the industrial area of the northern West Bank settlement of Shiloh. The victims have been identified as Mohammed Mansour, 48, and Bassam Tauase, 30, both from the Nablus region; Halil Salah, 42, from Qalqilyah; and Osama Moussa Tawafsha, 24, from the village of Sanjil, not far from the West Bank town of Ramallah. Asher Weisgan, a 38-year-old driver from Shvut Rahel in the West Bank, transported Palestinian workers to and from the industrial area daily. On Wednesday afternoon, he picked up the workers to take them home, and stopped on the way out to ask a security guard for a cup of water. He then stole the guard's weapon, shot dead the two Palestinian workers in his car at the time, and then ran into a factory in the industrial area, where he killed another Palestinian worker outright and wounded two others. One of the wounded died of his injuries at Hadassah University Hospital in Ein Kerem, Jerusalem. The fifth victim of the attack sustained moderate injuries. Israeli security forces managed to overpower Weisgan and took him to Binyamin police station for questioning. Weisgan, who had not previously been known to police, refused to give investigators a motive for the attack. Channel 1 television's news program, however, quoted Weisgan as saying that he had carried out the shooting in a bid to stop the disengagement from going ahead. In the wake of the attacks, security forces made preparations for possible riots that could break out in Palestinian areas of the territories. Military sources told Haaretz that the army expects prominent rabbis from West Bank settlements in the Shiloh area to issue an unequivocal statement condemning the attack. The army pointed out that this is the second attack carried out by settlers from the area and the lack of condemnation from the rabbis is likely to endanger more innocent lives. Palestinian Authority spokesman Saeb Erekat condemned the attack and urged the Israeli government to bring the perpetrator to justice immediately. Hamas threatened to avenge the attack, the second by an Israeli Jew against Arabs in as many weeks. "This crime is not going to pass without tough punishment," said Hamas spokesman Mushir al-Masri. But he said Hamas also has an interest in seeing the Gaza withdrawal proceed, suggesting Hamas might not act immediately. At the start of August, an IDF soldier who deserted from the army to protest the disengagement opened fire inside a bus in the northern town of Shfaram, killing four Israeli Arabs. The attacker, Eden Natan Zada, was then killed by a mob who surrounded the bus after the shooting. Neither attacks came as a complete surprise to police or to the Shin Bet security service. In recent months, the security establishment has received numerous warnings of possible attacks by extremist Jews against the Palestinians in an attempt to incite disorder in the territories and block the disengagement plan. In recent days, security forces have thwarted attempts by right-wing Jews to infiltrate the Temple Mount. An Interior Ministry committee recently recommended the reduction of armed security guards as well as increased supervision over them. |
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Zijn jullie niet blij dan?
"I'm not sorry for what I did," said Weissgan before entering a remand hearing at the Petah Tikvah Magistrate's Court. "I hope someone also kills Sharon." en: Hamas has threatened revenge for the shooting, which is the second Jewish terror attack in two weeks.
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Dat wordt cola zuipen daar, om voldoende PET-flessen voor de Qassam leeg te krijgen.
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By Amira Hass The main headline in the Palestinian daily newspaper Al-Ayyam on Wednesday, August 3, reported that a boy of 6 had been killed in the northern Gaza Strip and another 10 children had been wounded. The boy was defined as a "martyr" - a term that is usually reserved for people killed by the Israel Defense Forces and for suicide attackers. But this child was killed by the explosion of a "locally made" missile, as the report put it, a euphemism for a missile or mortar launched by a Palestinian cell. The newspaper did not specify which organization was responsible for having launched the missile. The Hamas movement said it had no connection to it. Islamic Jihad hastened to deny that one of its cells was involved in the incident, but promised to hold back on firing its missiles until after the disengagement. Ever since the Palestinians began to manufacture and launch locally produced missiles, about four years ago, most of the casualties they have inflicted - dead and wounded - have been Palestinian, and not Israeli. But up until recent weeks, these accidents were not given the prominence they are getting now. The Palestinian media did not dare publish or emphasize reports that would damage the myth of "the armed struggle" so conscientiously nurtured by the various television stations and the propaganda films of the various organizations. The Palestinian media, in a way that is more direct and transparent than in the Western press, organize the "hierarchy" of their headlines according to the preferences of the regime, according to how they interpret the public's tastes and the fears of the various power groups - thus reflecting a tendency to avoid debate on sensitive subjects. What is clear is that the Palestinian Authority fears that Qassam launchings during the course of the withdrawal will interfere with the process of evacuating the Jewish settlers from the Gaza Strip, will make it look impotent, or will invite an Israeli military response that will undermine even further its already unstable situation. Therefore, it appears that the PA is now trying to strip the armed Palestinian groups, and first and foremost the Islamic opposition organizations, of the halo of heroism created around the firing of mortars and Qassams. This situation is due to the fact that, from the moment the Palestinian doubts as to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's intention to carry out the disengagement were removed, another image war broke out between the PA and Hamas - primarily as concerns the struggle for the public's approval and the election race for the Palestinian Legislative Council. Most of all, Hamas nowadays likes to call the disengagement a "withdrawal" - and to attribute it to the success of "the armed struggle" of which its members have been perceived as the spearhead for the past five years. They are bringing their spokesmen to public parks in the Gaza Strip, praising their martyrs, talking about victory and reading verses from the Koran in the few places that are intended, in essence, for the recreation of secular families. Palestinian police sources are saying they "have not left a single flag in the shops" and that they are intending to spur the masses to celebrate at the sites of the evacuated Jewish settlements - with clear Hamas symbols - even before the last Israeli soldier leaves. As compared to the Oslo era in the 1990s, there is a reversal of positions here: At that time the PA, inspired by Yasser Arafat, called any new deployment of the Israel Defense Forces in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank "a withdrawal" and a form of "liberation," while Hamas was scornful and said there was no "withdrawal" without any guarantee of continuity. Now Hamas is glorying in the "withdrawal" while the representatives of Fatah are the ones trying to lower expectations and remind the Palestinians that withdrawal should not be spoken of as long as Israel controls Palestinian freedom of movement into and out of the Gaza Strip, and as long as the West Bank remains occupied and the Jewish settlements there expand every day. "While the colonization of the Gaza Strip will end, Israel's occupation of it will not," states an explanatory document written at the Palestinian Office for Disengagement Affairs, headed by Mahmoud Dahlan. In the language of political correctness there, they speak of an "evacuation" or a "redeployment." But apparently it has been difficult for Dahlan's team to root out the common usage of the word "withdrawal." Thus it has been decided in the PA and Fatah to try to direct the celebrations after the disengagement and not leave the arena of the rejoicing exclusively to Hamas and its symbols. In what has become a project to create income for about 1,800 garment workers in Gaza, the PA has ordered thousands of T-shirts, trousers, posters and stickers with its slogans printed on them - as a counterweight to the Hamas slogans. The PA is also organizing rallies and informative programs on television and radio, calling for people to behave in a civilized way, and warning against looting and mass disorder immediately upon the evacuation of the settlements. Whereas in Israel the opponents of the disengagement had been trying to create the impression that it is possible to halt the process, in recent months, Palestinian workers employed in the settlements and inhabitants who live nearby were reporting on the quiet dismantling and emptying of greenhouses and homes, and on settlers who are selling cars, tractors and household goods to inhabitants of the Muasi (agricultural area where the Gush Katif settlements were built). The validity of the work permits the workers received in June was until August 15 - even though two weeks earlier, the permits issued were valid until September 22. This is another sign that the Israeli government is serious in its intentions. The inhabitants of Muasi have been informed recently that the transit point between Muasi and Khan Yunis will be closed soon, and in its stead another one, between Muasi and the Tel Abu Sultan neighborhood in Rafah, will be opened. In other words, during the process of evacuating the inhabitants of Gush Katif and demolishing houses in the settlements, the Palestinians will be permitted to use only the more distant transit points. Hard to believe Yet, despite all the clear signs that the disengagement is really coming, Yusuf, an inhabitant of Rafah, sums up his impression of his fellow Palestinians this way: They are finding it hard to believe. For so long, especially during the past five years, the Jewish settlements and the army's security arrangements have dictated prohibitions and restrictions that became harsher and harsher, and turned into an integral part of people's lives. The evacuation of 8,000 Jewish settlers will indeed make the lives of 1.3 million Palestinians considerably easier, but it is still hard to imagine this. Perhaps this is why people need someone from above to organize the festivities for them . First of all, life in areas near the settlements and the dozens of military positions has become very dangerous during the past five years: The rules of engagement were very permissive, and every shepherd or child who wanted to move any distance from his home was endangering his life at the hands of IDF soldiers; not only infiltrators who wanted to carry out a terror attack at a settlement or against a military position were at risk. The evacuation will restore freedom of movement to people, at the most personal and immediate level. Secondly, the evacuation of the settlements will restore to the Palestinians half of their seashore. During the past five years, the strip of beach from Dir al-Balah in the middle of the Gaza Strip to Rafah in the south and the beach at Beit Lahia in the north have been closed to the Palestinians. In Rafah, Siafa, Khan Yunis and Dir al-Balah, people have been living 300 to 500 meters from the sea and from the most beautiful beaches in the Gaza Strip, but for the past five years the IDF has not allowed them access, in order to protect the settlers. The mother of 6-year-old Mohammed of the Shabura refugee camp in Rafah is now trying to imagine how her son will react to the first caress of the waves. Also during these past years, Muasi (where several thousand people live), Siafa and the Ma'aniya neighborhood of Dir al-Balah were turned into jails behind barbed-wire fences, closed gates, IDF surveillance, tanks and entry-permit red tape. Entering and exiting these places was permitted for limited periods daily, only to inhabitants, but not to all of them. From time to time people of certain ages were not allowed to return to their homes - or they could not leave them without special permits, which were given sparingly. The evacuation of the settlements will restore to these people freedom of movement, freedom to entertain guests in their homes, freedom to go out to work, buy food products, take agricultural produce to the market, go to clinics and schools and so on - without waiting for IDF permits or for soldiers who will open the gates. The evacuation will also ensure normal movement between the parts of the Gaza Strip, which in recent years the IDF has often segmented, preventing travel between the northern and southern parts for weeks or even months on end. Extensive agricultural lands, including the Muasi region, have been ruined - whether directly by the uprooting of the vegetation (including vineyards and groves) or because there was no possibility of marketing the produce grown there. Abu Ibrahim is the owner of groves in Muasi. He was not allowed to get to his groves, because in his identity card it says that he is a resident of Khan Yunis (and not of Muasi, which is half a kilometer away). During the past years his guavas fell, overripe, and covered the ground until they rotted and fermented. He says that he still does not know whether he will be able to recover from the economic and psychological crisis he has suffered for the past several years, but the knowledge that soon he will be able to move between his grove and his home in Khan Yunis makes him happy. Abu Ziad, from Siafa, is expecting that dozes of families who left their homes over the past five years because they could not stand the restrictions on movement, will return to them. Nevertheless, he says he is worried about the future: If the disengagement is not accompanied by a political process and political coordination between Israel and the Palestinians, the day is not far away when armed men will come and again fire Qassams from the area - and then no one will prevent the IDF from coming back into the Gaza Strip, from bombarding it with artillery or bombing it from the air. Meanwhile, Yusuf from Rafah, who says he is worried about a disintegration of the internal Palestinian situation because of tensions between Fatah and Hamas, and among various security organizations - is planning his first picnic with his wife on the beach in five years. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/613369.html
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Na 3 jaar en 270 huizen vind ik een half jaar waarin niet gesloopt wordt, niet echt heel erg lang. Het is drie jaar gebruikt als een methode om de terroristscihe palestijnen af te schrikken, wellicht moeten ze het nu ook de komende drie jaar gebruiken om terroristische isrealieten af te schrikken.
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want israel is erachter gekomen dat het niet werkt dat beleid. daarom is t ook gestopt.
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