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24-07-2002, 07:49 | |
echte hip hop, volgens mij kan je dat zo niet zeggen, want je hebt geen neppe hip hop want iets is OF hip hop OF niet . Dus jou vraag is eigenlijk wanneer is iets hip hop??
en dat is volges mij wel een moeilijke vraag , maar zoals ik het bekijk zijn gasten als bv. Nelly,P.diddy en MC Hammer net zo Hip Hop als KRS of Rakim. Oké ze worden Hip Pop genoemd, maar hip pop hoort gewoon onder die grote umbrella die hip hop heet. Want je kan mauwen wat je wil maar die gasten zijn net zo belangrijk voor hip hop als bv. Rakim dat was. Dj Kool Herc, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, KRS, Kool G Rap etc. hebben de hip hop gemaakt,verbeterd,veranderd. Maar P.diddy, Mc Hammer, Nelly, Master P etc. hebben de hip hop naar het GROTE publiek gebracht. Aangezien het meerendeel van de mensen die muziek-singles kopen een stelletje idioten of kindjes van 13 en 14 jaar oud zijn, die alleen maar bouncy beats en aanstekelijke deuntjes nodig hebben is dat misschien wel de enige manier om Hip Hop te verkopen. Il Bill(van Non Phixion) maakte eerste ooit een mooie vergelijking tussen Mainstream en underground hip hop, mainstream vergeleek hij met MCdonalds eten, als je dat de eerste keer eet vind je het lekker, maar als je het op hebt vergeet je het snel, en je moet het niet te vaak eten anders komt je de neus uit. Underground vergeleek hij met de koekjes die je moeder altijd bakt, ook lekker, maar dit vergeet je minder snel als een Big Mac, omdat het uniek is, en je kan er zoveel van op als je wil. zo is dat ook met hip hop en de meeste Mensen zijn helaas gewoon DOM, ze kijken niet verder dan hun neus lang is, en denken dat top 40 muziek de enige muzieksoort is die er is. maar ik dwaal weer af . zoals ik het zie heeft een muziek genre 2 dingen nodig om te overleven,een sterke UNDERGROUND-scene en een gote MAINSTREAM-scene. Als 1 van die twee wegvalt, krijg je het gabber-geval, het genre sterft uit. dus al die nellytjes hebben de krsjes nodig, maar de krsjes hebben ook de nellytjes nodig.
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24-07-2002, 14:09 | |
yeah ik denk niet dat je een echte definitie kan maken van "echte" hiphop. mijn buurjongetje is helemaal gek van nelly en dmx enzo en zweert dat dat Hiphop is. tis dus maar waar je zelf die grens maakt. en waar ik zelf voor ga ? ik kwam laatst een leuk lijstje tegen op i-net wat erg goed met mijn smaak overeen kwam.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- . Pharoahe Monch - Perhaps the greatest MC ever, Southside Queens' own Pharoahe Monch pioneered abstraction, conceptualism, and created a style unmatched by anyone. He's been putting it down for almost a decade now and has remained dope, 1999's criminally underrated Internal Affairs being the evidence. This year he has dropped tremendous guest appearances on songs like the Jigmasta's "Lyrical Fluctuation" and the Lyricist Lounge 2 lead "Oh No." The Pharoahe is easily of the three best vocalists, lyricists and thinkers in the history of hip-hop. 2. Common - Like Water For Chocolate continues Common's evolution, his first album displaying only a mediocre MC, his follow-up being the most lyrical album of all time, his third being one of the most soulful and introspective albums ever, and his latest being a strange combination of the three. He still has and uses these skills, but he hasn't floored me enough to warrant the number one spot he once held. It's a pity he is thought of in the mainstream as a sort of one-hit wonder due to "The Light" (a truly great song), but at the same time, it's a relief that people have gotten to know the artist formerly known as Common Sense. 3. Mos Def - He's toeing the commercial/underground line better than anyone could have suspected. Real hip-hop's ambassador to the rest of the world has a smooth style, brains, great taste in music and tremendous lyrics. A this point, Mos has actually surpassed his Black Star partner, Talib Kweli, totally outshining him on "This Means You." More than anyone else on this list, he's got the music world in his hands. 4. Sole - Sole is a brilliant lyricist, with a flawed but fascinating style and a penchant for not rhyming. Bottle of Humans was one of the best albums of the year, and the only thing that's holding him down is the clowns he collaborates with - if he leaned 3 degrees toward musicality and away from convoluted abstraction, he would create a classic. If you don't like him, it's really your loss. 5. Chino XL - The best battle MC in the world. "Never" is an undeniable classic, and the other tracks for his upcoming album, I Told You So, have been extremely promising. Chino's punchlines, such as "You ain't an X-Man like the comic book, you're an ex-man like RuPaul" are hilariously clever and even if he doesn't make a single song that isn't about how much better he is than you, he'll still be one of the elite. 6. Del the Funky Homosapien - D-E-L has stepped up his game. On Both Sides of the Brain, he trashed wack MC's in a way that surpassed anything he's ever done. Listening to "Press Rewind" and "Offspring" is like watching the U.S. Army storming every Canadian province capital, if that ever happens: a beautiful massacre. His work on Deltron 3030 is more understated, but just as effective, taking the listener throughout the galaxy while examining a faulty society at the same time. He's a lot more versatile than he seems. 7. Breezely Bruin - Breeze is just incredible. The obvious leader of the sadly ignored Juggaknots has a style that runs like liquid over a beat, through which he brings his poetic lyrics, original and thought-provoking concepts and remarkable rhymes. He got a chance to shine in front of a much larger audiences on last years hip-hop musical A Prince Among Thieves, but has been close to AWOL since. 8. Illogic - Representing Cleveland, once known for it's heavily West Coast-influenced gangsterisms, Illogic is an absolute poet more than any MC on this list. His voice, flow and rhymes are much more than adequate, but his lyrics are absolutely mind-blowing. Lyrical brilliance like "Hate In A Puddle" or "Me Vs. Myself" can be seen once in a blue moon, yet last year's Unforeseen Shadows was packed with such masterpieces. Illogic's official debut is still in the works, and is bound to be brimming with concepts and lyrics. 9. Kool G Rap - The Kool Genius of Rap is the only MC from the old school (i.e. pre-1990) to have actually improved over the years. His multisyllabic flow might seem limiting, but G Rap squeezes every ounce of lyrics out of each line he drops. Preferring staying on the low with dope guest appearances ("One Four Love," "Cakes" to coming out with overblown, overlong albums, the original thug poet is doing rap the right way, light-years ahead of what his former peers are doing these days. 10. Gift Of Gab - Half responsible for the best album of the year, Blackalicious' Gift Of Gab is just too much. He has a dope style and a cool, quirky voice that is capable of tear-bringing choruses and bringing musical depth to rhymes. The Gift's lyrics are excellent, ranging from the absolutely perfect mutli-syllabic wordplay on "Fabulous Ones" to the uplifting "Making Progress" to the captivating storytelling of "Cliff Hanger." Honorable Mention (incomplete, but in order): 11. J-Treds - The second best battle MC in the world, who is just as amazing outside of his niche. Smooth flow, always comes correct, especially on Indelible collaborations. Lines like "On the mic, I've got more presence than attendance in a class of schizophrenics, here here" speak for themselves. "Make It Happen" shows a battle MC using dope similes and wordplay for a more introspective and personal product. 12. Slug - Minnesota's pride and joy comes up with incredible, literature-style songs like "The Woman With The Tattooed Hands" and "God's Bathroom Floor." His flow isn't as refined as it could be, but he is about intricacies and dope concepts. Atmosphere is criminally slept-on, but hopefully with Anticon and the success of a certain Rhymesayers partner-in-crime, he can get up. 13. Talib Kweli - Kweli used to be quite a bit higher on my list, and his relatively scattered performance on Train Of Thought was somewhat disappointing. He still has the great lyrics and the amazing social commentary that went from "2000 Seasons" to "Thieves In The Night" to "For Women." 14. J-Live - If only he could get a record deal, his already-complete album would blow minds. J-Live is just as dope as he was on "Braggin Writes" years ago. He's got an excellent, musical flow, and very good lyrics which could take him to the top if he stepped them up just a smidgen or a tidbit. 15. MF Doom - An incredible musician. His work with KMD was very good, but on last year's solo Operation Doomsday was just intangibly great. He's got cool lyrics, and is one of the few MCs who has the balls to say "Zoiks!" or "What the devil?" and make you (me) want to be like him. The supervillain is not to be slept on. 16. Sage Francis - Sage, the elderly chief of spoken-word and hip-hop, wasn't blessed with the greatest set of technical skills, but he can just make you think. "Majority Rule" is one of the best songs of the year, chronicling the meaning of history and reality, also covering topics like sexism and different ideas of what the present could have turned out to be. He's incredibly smart, plus has enough skills to come with quality freestyles. 17. Juice - "That cat who got famous for never being famous" has been underrated all his career. One of the best freestylers out there has excellent work on wax also, including "Sincerely" and his underrated The Man EP. 18. MURS - An unexceptionally dope MC. He's got lyrics, a nice voice, and neat ideas like releasing MURS Rules The World, a dope album with blanks for titles complete with a pen for you to make up your own song titles. He has the ability to echo what's on everybody's mind on songs like "Track Three" (which I named "I Hate Your Boyfriend" and also an incredible flow when he wants to show it off on songs like "Sunsprayed." 19. AesopRock - The voice... NYC's own abstract soloist sounds like God. He is a quality lyricist, though he does tend to go way over everybody's head, and a pretty nice producer. 20. Ras Kass - Hated on (by me many times) because of his hateful anti-white rhetoric, Ras is still a brilliant MC, taking advantage of every line for great similes and wordplay. His style is iffy, but his lyrics are unquestionably fantastic. 21. Apathy - Would not have been ranked so high if not for his freestyling skills. Granted he is one elite battle MCs on wax as well, but is capable of flooring even the most skeptical listen off the dome. 22. Xzibit - Not the best lyricist by any means, he's still intense and he has one of the best deliveries in hip-hop. How many other MCs can claim to have made two consecutive near-classic LPs? Let's just hope Restless will make it three. 23. Eminem - He's got the potential to be much higher, but he prefers to be a gimmicky pop-culture mainstay. Songs like "Stan," "Any Man" and his older work on Infinite are few and far between in a sea of repetitive catharsis. You can't deny his freestyling ability, or his genius with multi-syllabic rhymes. He needs to expand his repertoire though. 24. Grouch - Sort of the white Xzibit, the Grouch isn't going to smack you over the head with wordplay, but his work is very personal and hits close to home almost every time. Songs like "Once Upon A Rhyme" and "Wish You Had A Good Day" are the type anyone can relate to. 25. Louis Logic - Philly's Louis Logic hasn't put out anything close to wack yet, with a sing-songy flow and tight lyrics. His ode to alcoholism "Factotum" is pure brilliance. 26. Nas - Hip-hop's Two-Face. Nas, who by the way is my personal favorite MC along with Pharoahe Monch, has put out incredible underground material like "Poppa Was A Player" and his verse on Wu-Tang's "Let My Niggas Live" while at the same time keeping a strong grip on the commercial rap world. His upcoming album is going to have the beats we've been waiting for, and he himself has been coming exceptionally nice of late. 27. Aceyalone - The original abstract MC (well... unless you count Q-Tip) is typically an overachiever when it comes to poetry, resulting in a somewhat contrived final product. This year's Haiku D'etat was a welcome break from this style, as Acey did a nice job as a pure MC aiming for positivity. 28. Vakill - A nasty battle MC who hasn't done too much yet, but has proved through tracks like "Flows U Can't Imagine" and his collaboration with Juice, "Out The Speakers" that he's going places. 29. Black Thought - While not the lyrical superstar he was on Do You Want More?!!!?!? or Illadelph Halflife, Thought still has one of the best flows in rap. He's been dumbing down his lyrics lately, but has never sounded bad. 30. Inspectah Deck - Has always been the secret backbone of Wu-Tang, and was one of the biggest reasons Wu-Tang Forever was such a success. Consistently coming equipped with dope rhyme schemes and nice intensity, it's a pity last year's Uncontrolled Substance (still a pretty good album) was so disappointing. His recent work with the rest of the Wu has been similarly lackluster, but only by standards he has set on songs like "R.E.C. Room" and "Guillotine (Swordz)" and he still hasn't actually been bad yet. 31. Last Emperor - One of the most overrated underground MCs, the Last Emp hasn't done anything tighter than his debut "Secret Wars," though his already-recorded-but-unreleased-due-to-a-disgraceful-recording-industry album The Legend Of Bigfoot is very very dope. He just doesn't have the mic presence or the voice to be the hero everybody seems to make him out to be. 32. Planet Asia - The good half of the underachieving Cali Agents is sort of like Black Thought, jr. He has more impressive lyrics, but a less captivating flow. 33. Necro - Far more perverted than Eminem could ever be. Necro is consistently entertaining, has a voice that resembles McGruff the crime dog, and is gleefully distasteful. He's got rhyming skills but uses them sparingly, always with a tight flow. He's also one of the hottest producers in the underground. 34. Eyedea - Would be here even without one piece of recorded material. Eyedea consistently wins MC battles, like last year's Skribble Jam and this year's Blaze Battle (where Grandmaster Caz asked for his autograph!!!) and is just incredible at making fun of MCs to their faces. His work on wax solo or with Oddjobs was not as good as it could be, but he did come with a stunning verse on last year's "Savior?" 35. KRS-One - The Blastmaster has lost some the energy that made the original BDP albums classics, but is still capable of dope material like the "Aquarius" white label. He's got the voice, and the flow, it's just a question of when he wants to use them. 36. Cee-Lo - He has incredible amounts of untapped potential, but usually gets by on his dope voice and cadence. Check "Still Standing" or "Fighting" for an example of what could be. 37. Rakim - The R isn't nearly as hungry as he was in his early days with Eric B., and thus his latest album, The Master, was supremely dull. The real (or at least the most likely) G.O.A.T. needs to step up his game. 38. Genius/GZA - Though the Genius isn't bring the incredible wordplay that was scattered across 1996's Liquid Swords, he's still got one of the best styles in rap, but hasn't taken it to that next level of lyrics. 39. Jay-Z - If he could actually make good music, I would have much more respect for him. Jayhova still has the witty, arrogant lyrics that made him a superstar (well... actually, the children's chorus on "Hard Knock Life" made him a superstar), but he spits over consistently wack beats. 40. Method Man - While he was never a premier lyricist, the Ticallion Stallion still has a barrel full of charisma. If I was an up-and-coming MC, I would get this guy to do the chorus on my breakthrough single. 41. El-P - While he has slipped a tiny bit behind the boards, El-Producto has improved greatly on the mic. The finale of "Simian Drugs" is more than enough evidence that not only can El rhyme, but he can also knock your socks off. 42. Dose-One - Dose is easily the most abstract MC on this list. His goofy, Professor Frink-esque voice is irritating by nature, but a lot of times, usually over good beats, it's incredible. He's usually very musical, but he's not the lyrical god some make him out to be. 43. Vast Air - Cannibal Ox's Vast is a relative newcomer, but he dropped an incredible verse on the song of the year "Iron Galaxy." He's got very good lyrics and a nifty voice, plus El-P behind the boards. 44. Ikon The Verbal Hologram - Ikon chose to dumb down his lyrics for Violent By Design, but still has the incredibly hype delivery - he sounds like the smart third member of M.O.P. 45. Andre Benjamin/Andre 3000 - Dre has generally gotten way too much credit, but on Stankonia he did impress me with an improved flow and more insightful lyrics. 46. Latryx - Lateef and Lyrics Born work together amazingly and are much more impressive when they work together. They are the some of the most musical MCs out there, but they don't have the tremendous rhymes that are traditionally a requirement to be on a list of this sort. 47. Charlie 2Na - Ozomatli's and J5's frontman has a thick voice and an excellent flow - but I think he tries too hard with his lyrics. 48. Binary Star - This Detroit duo is probably the most evenly matched group I've ever heard. Both MCs have excellent rhyming skills and lyrics, though neither have the charisma to go solo. 49. Copywrite - An endearingly arrogant NYC battle MC with a lot of potential. The entire MHz click is nice, but Copywrite is the nicest of the bunch. 50. Buck65 - Buck is very talented when it comes to multi-syallbic rhymes, but his lyrics range from excellent to decent. If he had a more confident, aggressive voice, he would be a lot higher on the list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- niet echt de Hiphop die je op TMF te zien krijgt dus Offtopic: ik verveel me dood, zijn er hier mensen die zin hebben om af en toe te battlen (via mail of gewoon hier op het forum?) lijkt me eigenlijk wel een x grappig
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24-07-2002, 14:51 | |
Niet verkeer dopvatten h oor maar jullie lullen nu allemaal maar wat. geen een van Jullie Bezit echt kennis over Hip-Hop. Hiphop is meer een Cultuur opzichzelf , h elaas zijne r veel nep mensen zoals hierboven genoemd (Nelly etc.)
Wat Betreft Ossdorp Posse , dat klassifiseer ik neit als hiphop maar als een sub-cultuur opzichzelf , Nederhop Je kan wel zeggen van ik luister naar Hip-hop uit 80`- 90`er jaren maar dat zegt niks! In die tijd had je ook meelopers zoals die Nelly Gay EN Eminem Zak. Ik zou zeggen zoek es wat Informatie Over DeathRow records. er is ook een Film van "Welcome To Deathrow" Hierin zieje hoe gangsta rap ontstaan is en aan wie we dat te danken hebben. Ik kom vanavond na werk ff nog mee rinfo met jullie delen |
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ok dan wil ik wel van jou eens horen wat je meer en beter weet dan ons... bovendien je kan ook niet verwachten dat de hiphop hier zo intensief is als in amerika of frankrijk aangezien er hier weinig belangstelling voor is in de media etc Rat
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24-07-2002, 17:56 | |
echte hippop is niet dat je de heletijd over vouwen en geld loopt te lullen maar gewoon je gevoel en niet "I want to fuck a other girl" bla bla bla daarom zuigt de hiphop van nu de oude hiphop is cool nu is het zo ff tekstje over vrouwen en geld en een beat eronder en alweer een hit tsss
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24-07-2002, 18:01 | |
Als je nu van hedendaagse rock houd moet je vind ik toch respect hebben voor diegene die er ooit mee begonnen zijn.
Ik bedoel, zonder led zeppelin, rolling stones, beatles, enz was er nu geen muse. Zelfde bij hip hop. Eminem, allemaal goed hoor, maar mensjes die alleen maar naar hem luisteren en gaan verkondigen dat hij de beste 'rapper' aller tijden is en ineens nog niet de grondleggers kennen, sorry maar dat vind ik zwaar triest. Dr dre, Ice-T --> respect! Waarmee ik niet wil zeggen dat je ervan moet gaan houden en luisteren, maar Eminem als de beste rapper ooit te gaan beschouwen...en dan spreek ik nog niet over die 2pac. Het is overigens vrij duidelijk dat de nummers op de nieuwe cd van Eminem die zijn geproducet door dr.dre veruit de beste zijn. Ice-T zal voor mij overigens altijd de beste rapper blijven, damn I love that guy.
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24-07-2002, 18:08 | |
Ja ja death row dacht eerder mensen als N.W.A,Geto boys,Mc eiht,dj quik,Kid frost,Ice t dat die als eerste met gangsta rap begonnen.
En nog iets er liep er jongentje te roepen over dat t alleen maar over bitches en geld gaat. Ga eens meer verdiepen in mc's als Rasco,J live,planet Asia&rasco,Kool g rap,Phrahoa monch,mos def,dilated peopels,Swollen members.
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24-07-2002, 21:27 | ||
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Rat, EnangQ, Ideale Schoonzoon, en hier en daar nog wat mensen |
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24-07-2002, 21:54 | ||
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Ik ben nu 4 jaar In NL oke, Hiphop leeft verder maar voor mij komt er dus ook nederhop bij kijken , een verassend goed en toch wel aparte stijl. Ik klassificeer Nederhop als Eigen Cultuur je kan het niet in een hokje stoppen dus daarom maar eigen hokje , niks lijkt erop en het lijkt op niks wat ik ken. Errug goed imho Wat ik bedoelde met er zijn geen goeie ( ECHTE ) Hip-Hop artiesten bedoelde ik meer in de zin van. 80% van wat ik jij en anderen zien is Nep , commercieel etc. Iedereen heeft een Gold Chain , Ho , Bentley , Limo etc. WOrden Jullie daar neit een beetje ziek van ? Kijk als je Dre in een limo ziet oke , Hij verdient het! Check zijn Background es en zin History zieje wel wa tik bedoel. Als ik nu naar Hip-Hop wil luisteren zijn met meestal Imports of Downloads van een voor jullie onbekende FTP server. reden hiervoor is dat ik makkelijker kan zien wat nou echt mooi is en waar echt veel tijd en zwee tin is gestoken , neit zomaar ff iemand betalen om iets voor je te schrijven wat leuke geluidjes en Voila. Met betalen kan ook zijn dat je Dr Dre betaald , hijs een geweldige producer zonder hem waren er veel mensen nog onbekend voor deze wereld o.a deze jonge man http://frontpage.fok.nl/news.fok?id=20590 |
24-07-2002, 23:13 | ||
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wel knap dat je dan rond je 14/15e teksten schreef voor anderen Rat
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24-07-2002, 23:15 | ||
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maar teksten schrijven voor andere artiesten??? ghostwriten?? dat noem ik niet echt hiphop. 'echte' emcees schrijven hun teksten zelf. dus ik weet niet met wat voor soort 'die hards' je hebt gewerkt....... pardon
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whats the difference between rap & hip hop. its like saying you are in love than being in love. rap is the word, hip hop is the feeling
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24-07-2002, 23:33 | ||
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Ik kreeg wel advies enzow door de groepen die er op da tmoment aanwezig waren :0 was wel chill Ik bedoelde meer dat al sje in een studio zit je veel meer over hiphop leert in ze zin van , nummers componeren en opnemen hun gebdrag , hun motivatie |
24-07-2002, 23:35 | ||
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daar heb je gelijk in. ik ben wel van mening dat, als je actief met hiphop bezig bent, je inderdaad meer 'inzicht' krijgt. mooi dan
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whats the difference between rap & hip hop. its like saying you are in love than being in love. rap is the word, hip hop is the feeling
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In één woord geweldig!! Eindelijk iemand die iets zinnigs zegt... Hulde
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25-07-2002, 07:20 | |
Wat is HipHop?, Hiphop is een dagelijks ritueel. Het iedere keer herhalen van bepaalde ritmes. Als het gaat om het zetten van een vette piece, maar ook het urenlange zoeken in de platenbakken naar een met stof bedekte LP van een old school king. Wanneer je in de auto zit, steeds maar omkijken wanneer er tunnel onbespoten aan je voorbij gaat, treinen die zonder ook maar een tag voorbij suizen. Urenlang in de auto zitten om vrienden te helpen bij hun dingetje, alleen maar door er te zijn. Steeds maar genoegen nemen met het feit dat het breakdancen tegenwoordig gaat om image, mooie kleren en dure schoenen. Je vrienden betrekken bij je levensbehoefte. Hip Hop.
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