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ooh ja over monogamie..... ik ben zo monogaam als maar kan en alshet aan mij ligt blijf ik de rest van mijn leven bij mijn huidige vriendin sex zonder liefde is als lezen zonder boek liefde is voor mij echt noodzakenlijk
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12-09-2002, 19:17 | |
Ik ben 't ook.
Heb de keuze niet eens bewust gemaakt (ziekte), maar het voelt eigenlijk wel goed. Ik ben het steeds belangrijker gaan vinden om een beetje rustig aan met m'n lichaam te gaan doen. Ik hoop gezond oud te worden en probeer gezond te leven. Bovendien kan mijn lever geen alcohol of vette dingen aan op het moment. Nu moet ik dus wel, maar ik denk wel dat ik het blijf doen, ook als ik weer beter ben. M'n lever zal zwak blijven, en ik heb geen zin om hem te verpesten. Ik rook niet, drink niet, gebruik geen drugs, probeer een beetje gezond te eten (gevarieerd). Ik eet wel vlees overigens, omdat ik dit niet als "slecht voor je lichaam" zie (mits goed klaargemaakt en het een beetje van kwaliteit is etc etc natuurlijk). edit: psstt jesus crust.. spelfoutje in je sig... "rauw"
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12-09-2002, 20:58 | |
ja ik drink niet en ik rook niet en gebruik geen drugs meer en ik hoef geen sex met andere mensen dan mijn vriendin en ik zwicht niet voor peer pressure ofzo
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Ben nu anderhalf jaar sXe en het valt heel goed vol te houden. Monogaam als een geit en het bevalt me best. Ben sXe geworden omdat me het idee wel beviel en ik wou het gewoon eens uitproberen.
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13-09-2002, 12:50 | |
Het enige waarom ik geen straight edge ben is omdat ik rook en af en toe toch een glaasje wijn of bier drink.
Maar drinken en blowen om in een andere staat van wezen te komen doe ik niet meer. Vind het nergens voor nodig, ook zonder heb ik minstens zo veel lol. Dus vind het eigenlijk wel heel goed.
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Mjah. ik ben geen sXe, want ik drink nl. wel eens wijn (bier is vies ), maar verder rook ik niet, gebruik geen drugs enz. Alleen af en toe een wijntje bij het eten zou ik niet willen missen, maar daardoor verlies ik dus niet de controle over mezelf. En de sex...tjah...je ex telt zeker niet als vaste relatie
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is er eigenlijk een beschrijving van wat nou wel en wat niet straight edge is?
Ik heb zo'n beetje alle reply's gelezen en kan er eigenlijk niet echt iets duidelijks uit halen ( ) en de muziek? is er een speciaal muziekgenre voor sXe'ers? volgens mij heb ik wat dingen gemist... nouja iig, ik drink niet, ik rook niet en ik doe niet aan drugs. (en sex ook (nog?) niet ) maar dat is zo gekomen omdat ik er gewoon geen behoefte aan heb. Kvind t prima zo, kan me goed vermaken zonder al die dingetjes ik eet trouwens wel vlees ( en scharreleieren )
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Ik rook niet, drink niet, gebruik geen drugs, probeer gezond te eten, ben monogaam.
Ik rook, drink en doe niet aan drugs, omdat ik ook veel lol heb zonder die troep. Want troep is het! Ik heb liever alles op een tijdje, ben liever helder, wil alles in de hand kunnen houden. En ik vind het sowieso niet lekker enzo. En ik wil gewoon een beetje gezond leven. En wat dat monongaam betreft.. Ik heb en wil maar 1 partner en alleen met hem heb ik seks enzo. Lijkt me duidelijk verder. Maareh, nu ben ik dus sXe? Nooit geweten! Cool! Maar wat bedoelen jullie met sXe-muziek? |
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WHAT IS STRAIGHT EDGE?
sXe f.a.q. - version 2.0 - updated on the 8th of february 2001. This faq is a text made by the members of poisonfree.com for which we used many different sources. The reprint of this text in its unchanged form is specially permitted and desired, as long as you quote the source of this text. This f.a.q. is updated and modified regularely without claiming to be complete. For suggestion, critics or question please mail to info@poisonfree.com What exactely does Straight Edge mean in it’s original definition? -no consume of alcohol, no consume of tabacco and renunciation of any other drug -no promiscuity (= sex with often changing partners) As an addition the majority of Straight Edgers started to feed themselves vegetarian or even vegan. Especially in Europe you will only find few Straight Edgers who are not nourishing themselves vegetarian or even vegan, the Straight Edge lifestyle normally makes people turn away quite fast from a meat based diet. Where does Straight Edge come from? Late 70ies, USA, Washington D.C. - the local punk scene is bigger than ever, but as time goes by many punks just turn into weird dressed colourful junkies. Normal shows can only be accessed from people older than 21 years to protect minors from the dangers of alcohol abuse. The only exception are so called “all ages” shows. At these shows minors will receive an X on the back of their hands, painted with a black magic marker, to exclude them from getting alcohol (through this X they could easily be identified as minors at the counter). Some of the teens were quite unsatisfied with the way the scene developed back then, with all its drug abuse and slogans like “no future”, therefore they took the initiative and founded their own bands, wrote their own lyrics against drug abuse and the resulting lethargy. They started to preach other ideals which were much more constructive than the average punk bands message back then. At that time the hardcore scene was born out of the cornerstones of the punk scene. Some punk ideas lived on in hardcore, for example the diy ethic (do it yourself), some politic ideals and independence, but all the cynic and destructive elements were replaced by way more positive messages. One of these lyrics was giving a whole sub culture its name: "Straight Edge", 1981 I'm a person just like you But I've got better things to do Than sit around and fuck my head Hang out with the living dead Snort white shit up my nose Pass out at the shows I don't even think about speed That's something I just don't need I've got the straight edge I'm a person just like you But I've got better things to do Than sit around and smoke dope 'Cause I know I can cope Laugh at the thought of eating ludes Laugh at the thought of sniffing glue Always gonna keep in touch Never want to use a crutch I've got the straight edge While Minor Threat became more popular many older punks began to paint the X which was known from all ages shows on their hands to declare their solidarity with the younger kids and to give up alcohol and drugs with them together - the whole movement had its sign from that time on. (Note: Even when most people think that Minor Threat are the founders of the straight edge philosophy some others believe that the band Teen Idles, something like a pre-Minor Threat band, expressed these thoughts first without getting so popular with it). Within the next years Straigt Edge bands were founded all over the USA, shortly after that the idea received more attention in Europe and found the first followers (Benelux countries, Germany and southern Europe first). Where does the name “Straight Edge” come from (often abridged: sXe, SE, XXX…)? Well, it is almost impossible to give a secured answer on this topic, therefore we’ll keep it short: Allegedly the drummer of the aformentioned band (who was one of the first people to preach a drugfree lifestyle) designed a poster for one of their shows for which he took a ruler. After he had drawn a right ankle (or straight edge) on the poster he declared this as a symbol for their new born lifestyle. After that the lyrics to straight edge were written, at least that’s what the legend says… As mentioned above noone will ever find out the truth about this, another story says that he drew nothing but a straight line, and that this was the reason for calling it straight edge… Where do all these „rules“ about straight edge come from? The basic principles were defined through a songtext while all the other facettes that straight edge stands for nowadays are a development from many years from many scenes from all parts of the world: Out of Step (with the world), 1981 Don't smoke Don't drink Don't fuck At least I can fucking think I can't keep up Can't keep up Can't keep up Out of step with the world These principles simply stand for respect for your own mind and body as well as for the opposite sex and your fellows. Songwriter Ian McKaye was not thinking about some strict set of rules to create more healthy humans who feel as something special, these principles should not exist to end in yourself (note: the editor of these lyrics probably never thought about starting some youth subculture, because nobody could imagine to start something like this with his own personal opinion…). On the contrary of this - a clear mind should allow humans to perceive the world around them better and to recognice and to fight against deplorable states of affairs in their social surroundings. This can be of ethic-moral, ecologic or politic nature or can simply include problems from your very own personal surroundings. To broaden your horizon on this set of rules and to use your head is the task for every straight edger. There is no sxe-legislative that sets rules, everyone is creating his own rules, of course without ever loosing sight on the basic principles. (also see below: personal widenings) Some of the most common misunderstandings about Straight Edge: Although the majority of all straight edgers is nourishing themselves at least vegetarian in the meantime, which is something very desirable but still not imperative. The original meaning of the concept as it was formed beginning / middle 80ies was only relating to a life without drugs and the renunciation on sex with often changing partners, but: - Straight Edgers are not giving up sex. The only thing that is disapproved is promiscuity (=sex with frequently changing partners, the “follow your dick around” thing, that typical college behaviour: "who is getting the most girls?") - straight edge itself has nothing to do with intolerance or violence against people thinking different Is Straight Edge = Drug Free? Yes and No! If you take the definition given above it should be clear that beeing straight edge includes a drugfree living, but: In the USA the word “drugfree” has another meaning, sometimes people who consume beer or cigarettes call themselves drugfree, only because they have nothing to do with hard drugs like cocain, speed or heroin. Tabacco and beer are no drugs after this definition. Of course this view on the straight edge idea is kind of half-hearted and almost wrong. Every Straight Edger is living drug free but not every person who lives drug free is serious about this and lives straight edge. But drug free patches and stickers stand at least here in Europe for the right thing, you will find the difference here only seldom, and that is a good thing… How popular is Straight Edge? The popularity of straight edge is always swaying, as well as the activity within the hc scene itself (on which the straight edge idea is (unfortunately) still limited). While there was a definitive high in the activity of the scene as well as for straight edge in New York City in 1988 people disagree today if straight edge is getting more popular, if its popularity decreases or if it stayed almost the same for the last 20 years. Sometime you can recognize regional motions: - While Straight Edge was really popular in the US in the middle of the 90ies (e.g. Earth Crisis gave interviews on MTV, many so-called lifestyle magazines published (often bad) reports) you can notice a similar development in Europe in the last 2 years. The scene is more active again, and the media started to find interest in this topic. But the results were quite sad here as well most of the time… - In the USA the actions within the scene around Salt like city (one of the cities near the most active area of the Mormons (is that a coincident?)) obtained some sad fame, the kids over there took the straight edge ideal over the top and received much attention through actions like Xes carved into the back of non-straight edgers with a broken bottle, some kind of gang-mentality and the violence resulting of this. Of course this was exactely what the media was waiting for... Luckily excesses of this kind remained exceptions, after many ups and downs the popularity and the activity within and outside of the scene is somehow regulating itself. How and why do I become Straight Edge and how long should I stay Straight Edge? - How: This is no club and no political party where you have to join, a simple decision if you are willing to accept the ideals should be enough to call yourself straight edge. Of course it would not be a good idea to show up the next day with drugfree patches everywhere and to preach the truth to all who are unworthy, this is not looking very convincing. Take your time while you discover beeing straight edge. Often exactly the people who are digging in it that fast are the ones who are gone first. - The reasons for becoming straight edge are already discussed above: Obtaining self control, take more consideration on your surrounding, bail out of the normal way of life, people in your personal / familiar surrounding who you want to keep on distance are only some reasons. This list could be enlarged as you like, many ideals of straight edge are really desirable. Everyone should discover this for himself… How long should I stay straight edge? Well, the decision to become Straight Edge should normally last a whole life, at least that would be the ideal case. In reality people often turn away after some years beeing straight edge while new faces show up, only few remain as stable as it should be. It is not excluded that you find again to straight edge after you once “lost the edge”, it may be that you are even more stable then, but: Normally you should not let it come this far… What means „personal widenings“ of the original idea of Straight Edge? As written above the exact definition of what straight edge is and means to people differs from individual to individual. While the foundation always stays the same every straight edger discovers some details over the time that are important for himself beeing straight edge. Hardline (see below) was only a small part of this, and it was already one of the major modifications that could be found. In the USA for some straight edgers strict continence is the last consequence in becoming straight edge, but this is only a small minority. Often these modifications of and additions to the straight edge idea are causing some turmoil, some agree, some disagree and other are revolting against it. You may also meet straight edgers who are claiming that their life is affected by straight edge almost everywhere, e.g. I once met a person who told me that he was showing more consideration in road traffic after becoming straight edge. Of course straight edge influences your relations to other people, at least at most straight edgers, some others take it that far that they feel their life in school or in their job changed to the better. As mentioned above, the line where these personal aspects of straight edge begin and where they stop should be discovered by everyone himself, discussing this topic would be superflous and almost philosophic, everyone should discover for himself how far straight edge affects his life. Only the foundations should be the same. A few details from from the history of Straight Edge: Over the years STRAIGHT EDGE developed many varieties that were sometimes very different from the original idea: HARDLINE: One of most discussed and most controverse splinter ideas of straight edge is probably the HARDLINE-thought that is besides dealing with a sometimes militant anti-drug position and the equally militant animal-welfare spreading an anti-abortion message. Through many actions, from which most took place in north america, these people received some headlines. Besides the at some places welcome militant anti drugs / animal rights position the abortion aspect is one of the most discussed topic within the whole HC scene, especially at the beginning / middle of the 90ies it was responsible for some serious division within the scene between pro lifers (against abortion) and pro choicers (for the right of the woman to decide over her own body). To get deeper into this very complex subject would be too much for this room… KRISHNA: At the beginning of the 90ies a whole wave of Krishna HC bands came over to Europe which was able to win a considerable following. In the centre of this idea stood a label (Equal Vision) and the band from a former straight edge allstar, Shelter, with its frontman Ray Cappo (Youth of Today), who were preaching the ideals of the Krishna religion besides their still present straight edge ideals. It was quite simple to arrange the characteristic features of this religion (e.g. the vegetarian food is one of the main ideas) with the drug- and promiscuity-free ideals of straight edge. But after some time it was clear that this movement was rather shortliving and that the majority of the people noticed that it was quite difficult to put straight edge / hardcore / punk together with the conditions of living as a religious person… CHRISTIANITY: Well, but not at all, because in the middle of the 90ies there was another strange thing happening: Straight edge was suddenly connected to christianity, this time a remarkable number of christians went to adapt the straight edge and hardcore idea. Again the center of this movement was a label (Tooth & Nail), again this idea had its origins and again it was over (at least as a scene that developed in a noticable way) quite fast. People from “the outside world” often say that straight edge itself has some of the structures an organized religion has. It is easy to contradict those people, perhaps there are some religious straight edgers and maybe you can find some philosophies of some religions in straight edge (see above), but the straight edge idea itself is still not having similar structures like an organized religion, there is no church and nothing like the bible to refer to. (To think further about lyrics = bibletexts / and concerts = divine service which was tried many times before would again be too much for this here..). Furthermore you should never forget the atheistic ideals the hardcore scene took from the punk scene in its beginning, but however, there are always exceptions. Where can I learn more about Straight Edge? Besides the fanzines that are published all over the world the internet (you guessed it) is one of the best ressources if you wanna know more about straight edge. Every search engine, be it national or international, will give you uncountable links to related sites (onlinezines, labels, bands, personal sites…) on which you can find even more links. Sometimes the usenet is helpful, too, e.g. alt.punk.straight-edge, alt.music.hardcore or alt.lifestyle.substance-free to name but a few are places where this topic is dicussed quite often. But remember: A good records collection is always the best foundation for your knowledge… bron
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Bovendien, waarom denken mensen dat sxe-mensen geen sex hebben? Het gaat er om dat je alleen maar sex hebt met een persoon waarvan je zo langzamerhand kunt zeggen dat het je vast partner is. Uiteraard is monogamie een logisch gevolg, maar dat lijkt me sowieso wel logisch. (om monogaam te zijn in een relatie) Nou komt het over alsof sxe'ers TEGEN sex zijn en dat is niet zo (enkele extremelingen daar gelaten).
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ik drink ik blow ik rook af en toe ik ben voorstander van vrije relaties ik eet vlees ik ben geen sXe maar heb respect voor mensen die dat wel zijn (ook voor mensen die dat niet zijn over t algemeen) *slaat met vuist op borst in de buurt van t hart* RESPECT okay ben ik een wat nutteloze bui.. mijn motivatie om GEEN sXe te zijn ik drink -- ik vind dat alcohol moet kunnen, okay soms drink ik te veel maar over t algemeen niet en ik weet ook wanneer ik moet stoppen. ik heb mezelf nog prima in de hand na 3 bier/wijn, het beinvloed mij niet.. en ja soms drink ik te veel dat weet ik op dat moment ook, maar dat zou ik dus ook niet kunnen doen maar om nou alcohol volledig te laten staan vind ik overdreven want matig gebruik is nix mis mee (bovendien is een rood wijntje per dag erg goed voor de gezondheid) ik blow -- hier ben ik het met jaap eens, als je werkelijk rete stoned ben, heb je jezelf niet altijd meer in de hand, ik laat bijv. dingen snel vallen en heb niet volledige beheersing over mijn lichaam. maar daar blow ik voor, ik blow absoluut niet veel en af en toe moet kunnen, het beheerst mijn leven niet ik rook af en toe -- dit is af en toe en vind ik lekker, beheerst niet mijn leven (ben niet verslaaft) en ik hou mezelf in de hand ben voorstander van vrije relaties -- sex heeft nix met liefde te maken volgens mijn idee, sex kan geweldig zijn zonder dat je op diegene verlieft bent, het is niet lezen zonder boek. Bovendien klein vraagje, ik dacht altijd dat sXe'ers helemaal geen sex mochten hebben omdat het de geest vertroebelt, in hoeverre vertroebelt sex met je vriendin je geest niet en met een ander wel?? Dit is niet als kritiek bedoelt, maar als vraag, omdat ik het standpunt van sXe over sex niet echt weet. ik eet vlees -- weinig en om medische redenen
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Heb ook een hele tijd ongeveer 3 sigaretjes per week gerookt die ik allemaal heel lekker vond. Maar als je je zo lang kunt beheersen om niet te roken (soms weken niet) Ben ik van mening dat je niet verslaafd bent. Zo zijn er ook genoeg mensen die koffie lekker vinden, gewoon af en toe. Als ze 's zondags naar hun opa en oma gaan ofzow, maar verder drinken ze het nooit. Die mensen zijn net zo min verslaafd aan koffie als somigge mensen aan sigaretten. Geef wel even toe, ben overigens wel verslaafd geraakt. Dat was bij mij het gevolg, maar ook dat hoefd niet bij iedereen zo te zijn.
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