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The Necessity for the Destruction of Israel We see in Israel the vanguard of the United States in our Islamic world. It is the hated enemy that must be fought until the hated ones get what they deserve. This enemy is the greatest danger to our future generations and to the destiny of our lands, particularly as it glorifies the ideas of settlement and expansion, initiated in Palestine, and yearning outward to the extension of the Great Israel, from the Euphrates to the Nile. Our primary assumption in our fight against Israel states that the Zionist entity is aggressive from its inception, and built on lands wrested from their owners, at the expense of the rights of the Muslim people. Therefore our struggle will end only when this entity is obliterated. We recognize no treaty with it, no cease fire, and no peace agreements, whether separate or consolidated. We vigorously condemn all plans for negotiation with Israel, and regard all negotiators as enemies, for the reason that such negotiation is nothing but the recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist occupation of Palestine. Therefore we oppose and reject the Camp David Agreements, the proposals of King Fahd, the Fez and Reagan plan, Brezhnev's and the French-Egyptian proposals, and all other programs that include the recognition (even the implied recognition) of the Zionist entity." En dan: Nasrallah: Israel temporary country Roee Nahmias (...) The sheikh referred to Israel as a “temporary country. “Israel was established as a military state; the army was not established as an army of a country,” he said. (...) “So far the enemy has only suffered military defeats, as was the case with the most important of its three Navy vessels off the Lebanese coast – which was struck. This was also the case during the ground war, when elite Golani Brigade forces were defeated,” he said. “You can see the amount of damage we have caused them in photos showing soldiers evacuated on stretchers lying on their stomach because they were shot in the back while trying to escape. The most important loss of the enemy relates to the morale of its leadership and army, as the army is incapable of overcoming a small organization with a strong belief in its cause." The Hizbullah chief added: “(Vice Premier Shimon) Peres said ‘this is a life or death war for Israel,’ and he is right because he knows that if the resistance will come out triumphant this time the Zionist entity will not have a future. When the (Israeli) nation will begin to lose faith in its army it will mark the beginning of the end for this entity.” (...) http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...283155,00.html -------- T.a.v. het onderstreepte: het is wel zeer toevallig allemaal dat de kidnappings rond het tekenen van het gevangenendocument door de politieke tak van de Hamas gebeurde. Laatst gewijzigd op 29-07-2006 om 23:31. |
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Akko: Arab MK, sister attacked by 3 Jews Abas Zkoor claims ‘three crazy drunkards’ chased after his sister yelling ‘Arab, Nasrallah should kill you’ and tried to stab her; MK lightly injured by knife while trying to protect her Roee Nahmias MK Abas Zkoor (United Arab List-Ta'al), who lives in Akko, claimed that he and his sister, who wears traditional Muslim attire, were attacked with a knife by a group of young Jews in the city. Zkoor, who was lightly injured in his hand as he was stabbed by one of the assailants while trying to protect his sister, filed a complaint with the police. "A couple of crazy drunkards chased after my sister and said to her ‘Arab, Nasrallah should kill you’. She ran away, but they chased after her, caught her and began to beat her. One of them took out a knife and tried to stab her. When I heard the screams, I arrived at the scene, and then they started to curse me. They wounded my finger, and my friend's ear," Zkoor told Ynet. Akko police said three suspects were apprehended, adding that Zkoor was not attacked because of his MK status. According to Zkoor, a young Arab man who happened to pass by prevented the assailants from stabbing his sister. The MK said he yelled at one of the assailants “aren’t you ashamed to attack a woman?” In 2003 a bomb exploded beneath the car of Arab MK Isam Makhoul in Haifa. Haifa residents Eliran Golan and Alex Rabinovich were accused of plotting the attack; Golan later committed suicide. A number of young Arabs began to gather at the scene and shortly thereafter police arrived and arrested the three assailants. “One of the youngsters was injured in his ear and was evacuated to a Nahariya hospital,” Zkoor said. The Arab MK and his sister claim the attack was nationalistically-motivated. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...283237,00.html |
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France, Lebanon to deploy to border with Israel Ronny Sofer France and the Lebanese army will take part in the multinational peacekeeping force expected to take position along the southern Lebanese border, it was revealed following a meeting between US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Prime Minister Ehud Olmert in Jerusalem. The two met at the Prime Minister’s official residence in Jerusalem late Saturday night for nearly two hours, most of which was spent in one-on-one talks. US Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs C. David Welch, National Security Council Director for Near East and North African Affairs Elliot Abrams, Olmert’s chief-of-staff Dr. Yoram Turbovitz, his diplomatic advisor Shalom Turgeman, and his military adviser Maj.-Gen. Gadi Shamni also took part in some of the talks. The meeting was reportedly held in a cordial atmosphere, and between the diplomatic deliberations, Rice and Olmert took dinner together. Olmert’s office said that during the entire meeting, Rice did not at all press the issue of a ceasefire. The two leaders also agreed that any diplomatic arrangement to end the fighting would be dependent on the release of kidnapped IDF soldiers Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev. Regarding the establishment of a multinational peacekeeping force, the conditions for its establishment, the length of its mandate and its responsibilities were not yet finalized, although Rice expressed optimism that it would be set up very soon. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...283247,00.html |
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Ronny Sofer In a first reference to the Israel Air Force strike in the southern Lebanese village of Qana, which killed at least 55 people, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told his ministers on Sunday that "from reports I have received, the village of Qana was used as a center for launching rockets at Kiryat Shmona and Afula." "Hundreds of rockets have been fired from the village's surroundings and dozens have been fired from inside the village," he added. Olmert was briefed on the serious incident by his military secretary Gad Shmani. Injured evacuated (Video: Reuters) "All the residents were warned and called to leave. There are hiding places for rockets inside the village, and the village itself constitutes a shelter for rocket launchers," the prime minister revealed. He added that "no one gave an instruction to fire on civilians, and this doesn’t mean that any of us gave an order to fire at civilians. We have no policy of killing innocent civilians. For 18 days hundreds and thousands of missiles have been fired, aimed at murdering innocent civilians in the north." http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...283448,00.html Lebanon: Dozens killed in IDF strike Ali Waked Dozens hurt in southern Lebanon: At least 55 people, including 21 children, were killed after a three-story building collapsed in the village of Qana in southern Lebanon. Lebanese media reported that the building, which serves as a shelter for refugees from southern Lebanon, was hit in an Israel Air Force air strike. A senior IAF officer said that the Air Force has been striking the area for three days now following dozens of incidents in which Katyusha rockets were launched from the village and its surrounding areas, and that residents were warned to leave. Defense Minister Amir Peretz instructed the Israel Defense Forces to launch an immediate inquiry into the incident in Qana. The officer explained that "also yesterday (Saturday) rockets were launched at Kiryat Shmona, Ma'a lot, Afula and other areas. We are only striking areas from which rockets are being fired, and the building struck this morning was close to an area where there was an attempt to launch Katyusha at Israel." "On a regular basis terrorists tend to run dozens of meters into the building, sometimes with the launchers themselves, and hide there," he said. According to the officer, the IDF issued a severe warning to the village residents, as well as to residents of other villages in the area, that they must leave the place due to the activities of terrorists in the area and the fact that fact that the IDF was operating there. "We followed the operation regime in the village and it seemed abandoned by civilians, so the strikes are carried out there, not against the village itself but against the terror centers," he said. The officer noted that terrorists may be insisting to operate from the village in light of the fact that it symbols an incident that took place there at the midst of Operation Grapes of Wrath, in which dozens of Lebanese civilians were killed and which was one of the main causes which led to the end of the operation. 'Dozens buried under rubble' On Sunday morning, shortly after 8 a.m., a report was received on the building collapse. Sources in Lebanon claimed that the Israel Air Force struck in the area and destroyed several buildings, and as a result many people were trapped in a three-story building. Similar to the incident which took place in Qana during Operation Grapes of Wrath, the building hit on Sunday was also used as a shelter by refugees from southern Lebanon who escaped the Israel Defense Forces' strikes. According to reports, some 100 refugees were in the building at the time of the strike. The al-Jazeera television network and the Lebanese and Arab stations reported that 35 people were killed, many of them buried under the rubble. The Lebanese noted that rescue forces were experiencing difficulties due to the great wreckage in the area. Lebanese rescue services and Red Cross members were operating to complete the evacuation. According to eyewitnesses, many people were searching for survivors with bare hands, while bodies of children lay in the area and many injured were crying for help. One of the survivors searched for his sister who was buried inside the building, while the body of a 70-year-old woman and a small baby were recovered from the ruins. The Lebanese Health Ministry reported that 403 civilians were killed so far in southern Lebanon, and the death toll continues to rise. Sources at the United Nations reported that the numbers were much higher, possibly close to 600. The official reports came from police and hospital sources, but according to sources in the UN's aid organizations, the police and health services in many areas in Lebanon have stopped operating, with police officers escaping and hospitals shut down. Qana – end of Operation Grapes of Wrath In 1996, during Operation Grapes of Wrath, the IDF shot an artillery shell at fire sources in the village of Qana in southern Lebanon. The shell hit a UN outpost in the village, which was functioning at the time as a shelter for residents of the village. The shell caused the death of over 100 Lebanese civilians and the injury of tens more village residents. The results of the shelling disaster realized the Israeli fear of international pressure. Pictures of the dead and injured were broadcast throughout the world, giving birth to intense international pressure on Israel to end the operation even though its objectives were not yet achieved. A short time before the events of Qana, the UN initiated an US-led mediation process between Israel and Syrian and Lebanese representatives (who acted in coordination with Hizbullah). After a number of days of negotiations, the representatives signed an agreement called Understandings of Grapes of Wrath (4.26.1996), in which the two sides committed not to involved civilians in war. Practically, it was agreed that Hizbullah would abstain from firing Katyusha rockets at Israel, and that the IDF would abstain from shooting at civilian targets in southern Lebanon. Likewise, it was agreed upon to establishment of a follow-up committee, in which the United States, France, Syria, Lebanon, and Israel would participate, that would oversee the application of the understandings. One possible interpretation of the agreement is that Israel recognized Hizbullah's right to strike IDF soldiers in the security buffer zone. Fighting approaches Syrian border On Saturday night, the Air Force continued to strike targets across southern Lebanon. Among the 40 targets attacked were also Hizbullah buildings, bridges, a rocket launcher and access routes. The Air Force also struck near the border between Syria and Lebanon, in the Bekaa Valley area, security forces in Lebanon reported. It was the first strike in the area in 18 years. IAF aircrafts launched three missiles at the Masana crossing, which is 300 meters (984 feet) away from the Lebanese customs area. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...283311,00.html ![]() Laatst gewijzigd op 30-07-2006 om 10:26. |
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In Palestina verliep dat heel anders. Rond 1880 had je 450.000 arabieren tegenover 25.000 joden. Tussen 1880 en 1940 is dit gestegen naar 600.000 joden "tegenover" 1 miljoen arabieren. Joden kochten land en begonnen ook daadwerkelijk land te besturen. Zie je het verschil? Je zegt hetzelf dat Nederlanders al de nodige angst hadden, laatstaan Arabieren kijkende naar het bovengenoemde scenario. Dat ze aggresiever reageerde dan de nederlanders lijkt mij volslagen logisch. Immers leek het meer op een bezetting van joden, wat het misschien ook ergens was, echter hadden de joden daarin niet zoveel schuld destijds. In een latur stadium bleek wel dat ze zich ook als bezetter gingen gedragen (kolonisten). Ik denk dat zelfs wij nederlanders met het klein beetje nationalisme dat we hebben geweldadig zouden reageren als een andere bevolkingsgroep in korte tijd massaal (dus verhoudingen worden in 1 keer 60% 40%) naar Nederland toestroomt en ook daadwerkelijk macht vergaart. Dat geldt denkt ik overigens voor elk land. Maar ik ben het ermee eens dat er geen onschuldigen meer bestaan in het conflict. Citaat:
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Foreboding "The Sandmonkey" I just received word that things in Lebanon are, getting, ehh, a little secterian. There was stories of Shia refugees in a druze beighbourhood that tore up Walid Jumbalatt's pictures and posters that were hanging on the walls. There was another story of a Christian supermarkets refusing to sell groceries to Shia regugees, saying that they are saving it for the christians. I recalled a post that I read at Mustapha's blog the nother day, where the Shia regugees booed and heckled the FPM sunni youth while it was bringing them food and supplies, and I started to get slightly alarmed. The Lebanese are currently united behind Hezbollah because they want the israeli shelling to stop, and the only people who are doing something about it are Hezbollah. But the moment ba cease fire takes place this could all change. I am more afraid of lebanse civil war than I am of what is going on right now, and I think many lebanese people would share my view. The Lebanese fabric maybe united right now, but it's secterian. And while I said that any civil war would be won by the Shia at this point, it doesn't mean it would be a pleasant victory, or that it would stop the other lebanese sects from fighting it. All it would take, for it all to go to hell, is for someone to do something stupid, someone else to retaliate, and mob rule will take over. However, since I didn't want to be the lil monkey who cried civil war, I figured I would cruise around the lebanese blogs to see if the stories I've heard were isoalted incidents, or if there is a larger pattern taking shape here. I basically wanted them to comfort me that what's happening right now is the worst that Lebanon will have to endure. After reading a couple of them, such comfort now seems lacking. Here are a few examples: This is a picture posted on Michael Totten's blog. It's of a christian mob attacking a car the otehr day for having a Support Hezbollah sticker on them: ![]() There are the reports of Hezbollah firing their rockets from the Ain Ebel Village, which is christian, against its people's will: Citaat:
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Maakt niet uit al gaat het om een centimeter. Het gaat om het principe, wel degelijk reden om je zorgen te gaan maken als "jou" land word ingepikt lijkt me zo. Maar ook dat joden zich als landbestuurder begonnen te gedragen inplaats van landeigenaar, nog voor dat de staat Israel was opgericht. Ze hadden nog voor de oprichting van Israel eigenlijk al volledig een eigen "staatje" binnen de staat Palestina, niet officieel maar officieus wel. (eigen instuten, medische voorzieningen, eigen regels etc etc). Wat uiteraard wel het gevolg was van de tweedeling die onstond in Palestina, maar goed die tweedeling was er eigenlijk vanaf die immigratiegolf. |
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Ook met die uitrusting viel het wel mee. Totdat Tjechoslowakije besloot om een aantal Messerschidts te doneren (ironisch; die toestellen waren nog door de nazi's ontworpen en gebouwd) was er geen Israëlische luchtmacht. Ik moet zeggen dat ik voor het feit dat zo'n minderheid verschillende gecombineerde legers de baas kon best bewondering heb. Tegenwoordig ligt dat anders, omdat ze gewonnen hebben en nu een gevestigd land zijn. De reden dat de Hamas en Hezbollah niet mogen bewapenen is dat ze geen verzets- maar een terreurorganisatie zijn. In de handvesten van beiden staat niet dat ze een oplossing willen of een eigen staat willen, er staat dat ze Israël, iedereen erin en eraan willen vernietigen. De PLO mag dan weer wel haar eigen troepen onderhouden omdat die het Palestijnse gezag (zouden moeten) zijn. Citaat:
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Honderdduizenden Israëliërs gevlucht JERUZALEM - Ongeveer 330.000 Israëliërs zijn in de afgelopen weken gevlucht voor de raketaanvallen van Hezbollah vanuit Libanon. ![]() Een politieman draagt een gewond Israëlisch meisje naar een ambulance na een rakentaanval van Hezbollah. Foto EPA Het gaat om inwoners uit het noorden van Israël. Dat heeft een woordvoerder van het Israëlische ministerie van Buitenlandse Zaken zondag laten weten. De woordvoerder zei dat de raketaanvallen het leven van ongeveer een miljoen inwoners van het noorden van Israël beïnvloeden. "Een derde van hen is vertrokken", aldus de zegsman. http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/article506267.ece
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Israël bestookt huizen militanten in Gaza GAZA - Israëlische gevechtstoestellen hebben in de nacht van zaterdag op zondag twee huizen van militante Palestijnen ... in de Gazastrook onder vuur genomen. De bewoners van beide panden werden kort voor de aanvallen door het Israëlische leger gewaarschuwd en konden tijdig ontkomen. In een geval raakten door rondvliegend puin en glas twee buren gewond, meldden ooggetuigen. Een raket vernielde het huis van de leider van de Volksverzetscomités in Beit Hanun in het noorden van het Palestijnse gebied aan de Middellandse Zee. In het gebouw werden volgens Israël wapens opgeslagen. In het tweede geval vuurde de Israëlische luchtmacht een raket af op de woning van een lid van de militante islamitische groep Hamas in Gaza-stad. http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/article506106.ece (ANP) Zelfs als ergens wapens liggen en de hoofdbewoner een terroristische hotshot is worden de bewoners dus nog gewaarschuwd alvorens de zaak platgegooid wordt.
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Wordt wel interessant, die blogpost die Gatara aanhaalde. Israel kan daar rustig het verdeel-en-heers spelletje van 1996 overdoen.
Dat Qana opnieuw de pineut is, dat is wel zielig, ik vernoemde het plaatsje 2 blz. terug.
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