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Weet iemand trouwens of Libanon ook door Israelische soldaten wordt bezet? Zoeits had ik gehoord namelijk.
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dat jij daar dan neit op in wil gaan
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06-03-2005, 19:29
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Ik hoorde net op het Journaal dat Syrië haar troepen al volgende week terug gaat trekken.
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Ik hoop dat je Libanese demonstranten hun broeders en zusters in Syrie zullen steunen...
Ook leuk voor Assad op termijn: Er werken veel Syriers in Libanon. Zij zullen zien hoe een democratie werkt. Ze zullen dit ook thuis willen... I smell the spirit of 1989 (hoop ik....)
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08-03-2005, 04:59
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Op CNN (Insight) werd de vraag ook geopperd: Will Assad see this at the streets of Syria?
Laten we het hopen! 2005 = 1989  (hopelijk!)
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08-03-2005, 10:54
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Is dat nou leuk, tegen jezelf praten?
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08-03-2005, 16:53
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Joh, ik had gehoopt dat mensen wat zinnige dingen over de situatie in het Midden-Oosten zouden zeggen hier. Is toch al snel zo'n 100.000 x belangerijker dan "ik vind twee jongens leuk, help!" gedoe... Al zijn sommige discussies in L& R wel leuk!
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08-03-2005, 20:57
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Huge Beirut rally rejects Syria pullout
Tuesday 08 March 2005, 21:19 Makka Time, 18:19 GMT Hundreds of thousands of flag-waving Lebanese flooded central Beirut on Tuesday for a pro-Syrian rally called by Hizb Allah. The protest dwarfed previous protests demanding that Syrian troops quit Lebanon. Hizb Allah chief Shaikh Hasan Nasr Allah urged the Lebanese opposition to join a national unity government and reject a UN demand for the Syrians to leave and his own militia to disarm. Nasr Allah said no one in Lebanon feared the United States, whose troops left Beirut in 1984, a few months after a bomber killed 241 Marines at their headquarters in the capital. "We have defeated them in the past and if they come again we will defeat them again," he said, drawing chants of "Death to America" from the sea of demonstrators. As the mainly Shia Muslim crowds thronged Riad al-Solh square, Syrian forces began moving eastwards under a phased withdrawal plan announced on Monday, the Lebanese army said. The huge Hizb Allah rally was the first major show of popular support for Syria in Beirut since the 14 February assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafiq al-Hariri touched off daily anti-Syrian protests, mainly involving Maronite Christians. Taif Accord Those protests, which drew tens of thousands on Monday, take place in Martyrs Square, just 300m from the scene of the gathering organised by Hizb Allah and its allies. The rival rallies, each using the Lebanese cedar flag to show patriotism, reveal deep rifts in Lebanon over Syria's role and the future of Hizb Allah, the country's last armed militia. Hizb Allah officials and a pro-Syrian security source said one million people attended the rally and witnesses said the crowds were certainly in the hundreds of thousands. Nasr Allah said he had no problem with a Syrian pullout under the 1989 Taif Accord that ended Lebanon's 1975-90 civil war, but would have no truck with a UN resolution adopted in September that called for a Syrian withdrawal and militia disarmament. "If the mechanism for Syria's stay or withdrawal is within the Taif Accord then we are agreed," he told the rally. "But those who insist on [resolution] 1559, we say to them your insistence is a revolt against the Taif Accord ... and that means a revolt against national consensus," he declared. Nasr Allah also urged France, which co-sponsored 1559 with the United States, to drop its support for the measure. World pressure Shias, Lebanon's largest community, condemned al-Hariri's killing but few have joined Christian, Druze and Sunni Muslim opponents of Syria's dominant role in the country. "If the mechanism for Syria's stay or withdrawal is within the Taif Accord then we are agreed. But those who insist on [resolution] 1559, we say to them your insistence is a revolt against the Taif Accord ... and that means a revolt against national consensus" The Shias and many other Lebanese are proud of Hizb Allah, which is backed by Syria and Iran, for forcing Israel to end its 22-year occupation of south Lebanon in 2000. Popular agitation in Lebanon, combined with intense world pressure, has prompted Syria to announce plans to end its 29-year military presence in its smaller neighbour. "Implemented immediately from this date is the ... withdrawal of Syrian forces from the existing areas to the Bekaa area," a Lebanese army statement said. Witnesses reported troops on the move in several places on mountain ridges east of Beirut. Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and his Lebanese counterpart Emile Lahud agreed on Monday to shift Syrian troops to eastern Lebanon by 31 March. A statement said the Syrian and Lebanese military would then decide how long the Syrians stayed. Syrian withdrawal? A Syrian official source in Damascus said Syrian security and intelligence agents would leave along with the troops. Syria's Lebanese and foreign critics say Syrian intelligence controls Lebanon behind a facade of state institutions. Hizb Allah, dubbed a terrorist group by Washington, began as an anti-Israel militia but is now also a political party with deputies in parliament and a network of charities. Opposition leader Walid Jumblatt called for dialogue with Hizb Allah, but said Syria must declare a withdrawal deadline. "We want a clear-cut timetable for the pullout of Syrian troops," the Druze chieftain told reporters after meeting German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer in Berlin. Syrian forces are credited with helping end the civil war that tore Lebanon apart. Christian, Muslim and Druze militias fought each other and about 150,000 people are thought to have died in that conflict. Link
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Hizb Allah rally draws thousands
Tuesday 08 March 2005, 19:05 Makka Time, 16:05 GMT Hundreds of thousands of pro-Syrian demonstrators have gathered in Beirut to denounce what they see as Western interference in Lebanon. The gathering, called by the Shia Muslim group Hizb Allah and its allies, highlights deep divisions over Damascus's role in the country. The demonstrators chanted pro-Syria solgans a mere 300m from where opposition protesters held daily rallies to demand a complete Syrian withdrawal form Lebanon. Journalists at the scene estimated the crowd numbers at hundreds of thousands, while an official source and the television station of the Syrian-backed group Amal gave a figure of 1.5 million. Hizb Allah chief Hasan Nasr Allah had said the rally would be held to thank Syria for what he called its sacrifices in Lebanon and to oppose a UN resolution demanding the disarming of militias. Shia Muslims are Lebanon's largest religious sect. Hizb Allah, which began as a small guerrilla force devoted to ending Israeli occupation in the south of Lebanon, has developed into a sophisticated group with political, military and welfare bodies. It has several MPs in parliament and runs several charities. Syrian pullback Syrian troops in a mountain ridge east of Beirut continued preparations to pullback from their posts, a day after Syria promised to redeploy its troops to eastern Lebanon this month under a two-stage withdrawal. The United States has dismissed the plan for failing to set a deadline for a full pullout. Syrian President Bashar al-Asad agreed the withdrawal plan in talks with Lebanese President Emile Lahud in Damascus earlier in the week. Syrian forces intervened in Lebanon's civil war in 1976 and Damascus still has about 14,000 troops in the country. Buses and cars were ferrying supporters of Hizb Allah and its allies from across Lebanon. At the Riad al-Sulh Square, Hizb Allah members were setting up loud speakers and putting up Lebanese flags and banners. Young men in black were looking after security, searching streets and even drainage holes for suspect objects. "Thank you, Syria's Assad," a large banner said. "No to foreign interference," another said. "Beirut is free, America out," protesters chanted. Nasr Allah had urged demonstrators to carry only Lebanese, not party, flags. Pictures of al-Assad and Lahud were also hoisted. Pressure on Damascus US President George Bush's administration warned Syrian leaders it would "hold their feet to the fire", and Britain, Germany and Lebanon's former colonial power France also put pressure on Damascus. Hizb Allah (Party of God) warned of mayhem if Syrian troops were to leave Lebanon, where the 1975-90 civil war ended with a fragile balance between the country's diverse main religious groups. Lebanon is due to hold a general election by May. Set up by Iran's Revolutionary Guard in 1982, Hizb Allah is the only Lebanese faction to keep its guns. It won wide popularity after helping drive Israeli troops from southern Lebanon in 2000. Syrian forces are credited with helping ending the civil war that tore Lebanon apart. Christian, Muslim and Druze militias fought each other in rounds of sectarian and inter-sectarian fighting. About 150,000 people were believed to have died. A historic day "This is a historic day in the history of Lebanon, a day that will found the future of Lebanon," Hizb Allah's media director Muhammad Afif told Aljazeera. "This huge crowd is gathered under the title of rejecting resolution 1559, as many Lebanese people, including some opposition elements, reject this resolution. "This demonstration does not come against the opposition protest in al-Shuhada (Martyrs) Square. We respect all Lebanese opinions, as they are democratic expressions. "Lebanon is a democratic and free country. Everyone wants to express their opinions," he said. Anti-Syria protests Syria's role in Lebanon has come under fierce fire since a 14 Febuary bomb killed former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafiq al-Hariri. Damascus denied any involvement in the blast. Opposition demonstrators, mainly Christian and Druze with some Sunnis, have staged several large anti-Syrian protests since al-Hariri's killing. On Monday, tens of thousands of flag-waving opposition demonstrators again took over central Beirut's Martyrs Square to demand a complete Syrian withdrawal. Syrian soldiers based in the Lebanese mountain towns east of Beirut were dismantling military and communications equipment for a second day on Tuesday. A Lebanese security source said the troops were sending equipment to other posts closer to the Syrian border to enable them to move out quickly when orders come later this week. The source said a joint Lebanese-Syrian military committee would meet on Tuesday to fine-tune the pullback plan and give the go-ahead. New government Under the agreement by al-Assad and Lahud, Syrian troops will complete their move to eastern Lebanon by 31 March. The Syrian and Lebanese militaries will then decide how long the troops should stay in the eastern areas before returning home. Bush and French President Jacques Chirac confirmed in phone talks they were determined to obtain the full application of a UN Security Council resolution calling for all foreign forces to leave Lebanon, French officials said. Lebanon's Lahud was set to hold consultations on Wednesday with parliament before naming a new prime minister-designate. Political sources said outgoing Prime Minister Umar Karami appeared favourite to be asked to form a new government. Karami, a staunch pro-Syrian politician, submitted the resignation of his cabinet on 28 Febuary under pressure from the opposition and street protests. Link
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08-03-2005, 21:10
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Waarom citeert Al-Jazeera alleen Hezbollah's opinie? Dat vind ik wat dubieuze journalistiek.
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08-03-2005, 21:13
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Dat is wat ik er zelf uit heb gepikt.
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08-03-2005, 21:16
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08-03-2005, 21:16
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Ja, maar er staan wel meer artikelen op de site.
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08-03-2005, 21:21
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Het zou me niets verbazen als die demonstranten geld kregen voor het demonstreren.
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08-03-2005, 21:41
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Waar gaat het nu de hele tijd om? Denk je dat die troepen daar alleen voor de kat z'n kut zitten?
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En bovendien heeft Syrie állang laten weten dat ze die soldaten terug zouden nemen. Zij hebben nu niets aan dergelijke demonstraties.
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Wie zijn wij ('het westen") om te beslissen voor andere landen wat het beste voor hen zou moeten zijn.
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08-03-2005, 22:37
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Op zich niet gek alles in die richting wijst.
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08-03-2005, 23:06
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En er waren bijna 1 miljoen betogers. Weet je hoeveel dat kost, en hoe dat opvalt, als je hen wilt uitbetalen? De Westerse media zouden het dan allang hebben laten zien.
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08-03-2005, 23:07
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Aangezien het over de Hezbollah gaat denk ik eerder dat je moet praten in hoeveel propaganda en intimidatie dan over hoeveel geld het ze gekost heeft.
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08-03-2005, 23:09
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Die mensen krijgen misschien tien tot vijftig euro voor het demonstreren. Dat is echt niet moeilijk te betalen. Ik heb overigens nooit beweerd dat ze betaald worden, het zou me alleen niets verbazen omdat de geschiedenis ons leert dat dit middel vaker wordt toegepast.
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08-03-2005, 23:16
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08-03-2005, 23:27
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blaminggame de gekste.
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08-03-2005, 23:29
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Lijkt me niet, maar ja, ga dat de gemiddelde zwaar geindoctrineerde Libanees vertellen die zijn leven lang niets anders heeft gehoord dan hezbollah, hezbollah en nog eens hezbollah.
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08-03-2005, 23:36
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Amerika waarschuwt Suriname voor Bouterse
PARAMARIBO - De Verenigde Staten en vele andere landen kunnen moeilijk samenwerken met een regering van een veroordeelde ************* De veroordeling van Desi Bouterse wegens drugshandel door een Nederlandse rechtbank kan niet worden genegeerd. Dit stelt de Amerikaanse ambassade in Paramaribo dinsdag in een exclusieve verklaring aan het ochtendblad De Ware Tijd. De keuze voor een leider ligt geheel bij het Surinaamse volk, maar Suriname moet zich wel bewust zijn dat elke keus mogelijk gevolgen kan hebben voor het land, aldus de ambassade. De verklaring werd uitgegeven na afstemming met het Amerikaanse ministerie van Buitenlandse Zaken in Washington. Bouterse hoopt in mei president te worden. Stemadvies Met het oog op de verkiezingen geeft de ambassade een stemadvies. Een eventuele keuze voor Bouterse zal belangrijke gevolgen hebben voor het internationale imago van Suriname. "We hopen dat het Surinaamse volk een leider kiest die heeft bewezen zich te hebben gecommitteerd aan de democratie en democratische principes en die het land vooruit kan stuwen", aldus de verklaring. Bouterse werd in 1999 tot elf jaar cel veroordeeld voor zijn rol in de smokkel van meer dan 400 kilo cocaïne naar Nederland. De Nationale Democratische Partij (NDP) waarvan Bouterse voorzitter en presidentskandidaat is, moet nu niet in paniek raken, zegt haar parlementaire fractieleider Jenny Geerlings. Hier, gaan ze wéér  bron
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08-03-2005, 23:51
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Bouterse die er mee weg komt bedoel je?
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08-03-2005, 23:54
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08-03-2005, 23:56
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Ironisch van Amerika, aangezien zij veel 'slechte' leiders in Zuid-AMerika aan de macht geholpen hebben, pinochet en die gast die voor castro aan de macht was (kan niet op zn naam komen) en nog wel meer mensen in het verleden.
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We weigeren alleen zaken te doen met een veroordeelde misdadiger.
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